I recently decided to acquire a plate carrier and a set of front and rear plates. There was no immediate need for the hard armor, but I just wanted to get a set for emergency use, firearms courses, and what not.
I had already acquired the Haley Strategic D3 Chest Rig (D3CR), and one of the most popular plate carriers to pair up with the D3CR is the Mayflower Assault Plate Carrier (APC), and that is the plate carrier I ended up purchasing (from U.S. Elite).
The Mayflower APC comes in two sizes, S/M and L/XL, and has different sized cummerbunds to pair with the APC. I went with the S/M since I’m fairly short (5’4), and elected to go with the small cummerbund, since the small cummerbund is supposed accommodate 34″ to 44″ around the navel (and I’m 30″ to 32″ around the waist). Thus, I ordered the S/M Small APC.
That being said, the 34″ to 44″ range of the small cummerbund is a bit liberal. I don’t see it accommodating 44″, so if you are going to run side plates, I suggest going with the medium cummerbund instead of the large if you have a 30″-something waist/torso. But since I’m not running side plates, the small works just fine for me. Note that even if you go with a cummerbund that’s on the big side for you, it’s adjustable, specifically in the rear which utilizes a ‘dual-lock’ style hook and loop (‘Velcro’), so you can overlap the cummerbund in the rear and it still locks securely via the hook and loop.
As far as plates, I ordered a pair of Level IV standalone ceramic SAPI plates from BulletProofMe. Level IV standalone plates are rated to handle up to a single round of .30-06 Armored Piercing.
The interesting thing is that I ordered medium plates and they sent me large plates instead.
The Mayflower states on their website that the S/M APC will accept up to a medium SAPI plate, which is why I ordered the medium. When I received the large SAPI plates, I ended up trying to put them in and they actually fit exactly to the dimensions of the pockets of the S/M APC. I did some research via Google and owners of the Mayflower APC in S/M have also noted the ability to run large SAPI plates.
I then tried on the APC with the large SAPI plates and the coverage was dead on for my frame, even though my height is on the short side. The top of the plate met the bottom of the clavicle and the bottom of the plate was still above my belly button. Sitting down didn’t push the plate up into my neck, and the width of the plate wasn’t exceeding the sides of my body.
I contacted BulletProofMe and told them of the mistake (I ordered medium, they charged me for medium, but sent me large) and indicated that I would go ahead and just keep the plates, and they were fine with the arrangement (and not having to go through a return/exchange process).
The APC by itself weights in at 1.95 lbs. Each of the BulletProofMe Level IV ceramic standalone Large SAPI plates weights 8.15 lbs. The combined weight of the APC and the pair of plates is 18.25 lbs. These weights were obtained using a shipping scale at my UPS Store. I didn’t weight the APC and plates along with the D3CR (with or without loaded magazines). I figure whenever I get a chance, I’ll do this. I hazard a guess that I’ll tip the scales just over 21 lbs for the APC + plates + D3CR + magazines.
I thought about running Level III ICW (In Conjunction With) hard plates with Level III soft backers which would provide Level IV protection, with the idea I could run lighter hard plates, and add the soft liners whenever necessary. But after thinking about it, it seemed more complicated that it needed to be as far as deciding when to insert the soft liners and when not to. So I decided to just run Level IV standalone plates to have that level of protection at all times.
As mentioned earlier, the S/M Mayflower APC officially accepts up to a medium SAPI plate, but the L/XL Mayflower APC will accept the Large and X-Large SAPI plates. If you run a smaller plate in a S/M or L/XL APC, they’ll actually fit fine because there is a retention strap on the inside of each plate pouch which will lift the plate to the top of the carrier.
When I ran drills with the Mayflower APC at the range, I had to run my MagPul UBR stock fully collapsed. I normally run it 3 clicks out, and I run the stock well over my pectoral. Doing this with the APC on means I’m putting the stock onto the actual plate, thus ‘decreasing’ my length of pull (LOP) significantly.
That being said, having never worn body armor before, shooting is a lot different. I’ll probably have to take the time to practice with the Mayflower APC on just so I can get an understanding on how to manipulate the carbine and pistol while having the extra twenty or so pounds of weight and bulk on the body.
The Mayflower APC does have a kangaroo pouch for inserting magazines into the belly of the rig, as well as a smaller admin pouch at the top. Personally, I don’t see myself using the pouches much, especially the large kangaroo pouch, since I specifically paired the APC with the Haley Strategic D3CR.
I just wanted the flexibility of going from high profile to low profile (low profile meaning under a jacket/coat or sweatshirt), or vice versa, by being able to quickly detach/attach the magazine pouches. The D3CR is secured to the APC via the Mayflower / Velocity Systems Swift Clip system. two clips at the top with hook and loop on the back of the D3CR to mate with the hook and loop on the front of the APC. You can technically run the D3CR on the APC without the side clips, But I added them on just for added security / stability.
There’s not much else to say regarding the Mayflower APC that hasn’t been said in other reviews. This plate carrier has been around for a few years now. It appears the quality is excellent. The material and stitching looks top notch. It is surprisingly comfortable to wear. I didn’t know what to expect from a hard armor plate carrier as far as fit and mobility is concerned, but in my particular configuration, I can definitely say that I’m not struggling with it at all. Of course, I might change my tune if I had to wear it for an extended period of time.
I’ll admit that I didn’t actually try the Mayflower APC in person, or any other plate carriers for that matter. I bought the APC sight unseen, and solely based on the positive word of mouth. That being said, I can reiterate the quality of the Mayflower Assault Plate Carrier.
For those interested in a video breakdown of my Mayflower Assault Plate Carrier setup, I have a video hosted on YouTube:
Hassan
Thanks for putting this review together. How does the carrier and plates perform in a “low-vis” application under a jacket or seated in a vehicle?
ocabj
Without the chest rig panel / magazine pouches, you can wear it under a jacket/coat/sweatshirt, but it does add bulk around the body. So if it’s a fitted jacket (e.g. Under Armour fitted), it’s going to be noticeable. If you were a regular / loose fit jacket or sweatshirt, it’ll be fine. Sitting in a vehicle is comfortable as long as the plates are not overly tall and you adjust the plate carrier to run at the correct height on the body. The fact that I can wear a large SAPI and it doesn’t push up into my neck when I sit down means anyone should be able to run at least a medium SAPI without any issues while sitting down.
s campbell
What are your thoughts on running this set up with ballistic inserts instead of heavy plates for a lighter carry? I live in Chicago and I’m looking for a vest option to leave in my truck. One wrong turn and your in a very dicey neighborhood. I also feel like the race relations is at a critical level. I would like to have “something” that would give me piece of mind if I had to bail out of my truck in a riot type situation. What are your thoughts
ocabj
I was actually considering running soft armor inserts, but I wasn’t really sure if ICW soft armor could be run standalone. I guess if you can find soft armor that can withstand 9mm and 45ACP, that might be an option. I’m not entirely sure if any soft armor is good against rifle (e.g. .223/5.56).
Travis Rolph
Ocabj,
Thanks for the review. A couple of points: The large stand alone plates fit because the S/M is sized to fit up to medium ICW plates with soft armor backers. So the larges took up in width what the mediums with backers would have taken up in volume (if that makes since). Your thoughts on armor are wrong; if a plate is a level III ICW plate that is it’s max rating when worn with soft armor. The two paired together do not bring it up to the next level. Soft armor backers are generally level 3A, which means they will stop most pistol calibers and depending on the armor (ours in particular) it will stop frag in accordance with the USASOC Frag requirements.
Again thanks for the review, Travis (Founder Mayflower R&C).
Jayson Flynn
With the Medium Mayflower APC and large plates, it there still enough slack in the material to place 3 M4 magazines in the front kangaroo pouch? I like the idea of the smaller rig with my large plates. Great review, very descriptive and informative use of your height and body size.
ocabj
Yes, I can still fit three 30-round magazines in the kangaroo pouch.
Shawn Campbell
What made you go with the plates instead of type IV soft body armor?? For me it was speed over weight.
ocabj
I didn’t know they made level IV soft standalone.
rob s.
Hi ocabj,
I am new to 556 and plate carriers. Late last year I got my ddm4v7 and now looking into a plate carrier. I found the Warrior DCS plate carrier and armor advanced loadout, and now looking at the plate carrier that you have. Is there any way that we could talk besides on here? Maybe a face to face? I am not far from west end gun club.
Thank you
Rob